When I asked him for his thoughts on carry guns for bear country, Phil related the following: Phil, I have always said that carrying any handgun for bear protection is similar to wearing a life jacket in a boat, or parachute in a plane. The Hornady 325gr Leverevolution is a whole different story. Killed a mountain Grizzly but did not get my polar bear. Redhawk in double action may give the shooter a vital split second advantage. Let us know via nature@newsweek.com. It seems to be a matter of carrying largest caliber you can for the situation, with the proviso that you be able to deliver sufficient rounds on target. They come in 45 Win Mag and 50 AE as well. 6. of course be loaded and kept down loaded with .38 Special ammo (modern). Theyll put down vermin, but small may not put down dangerous game. 39% were found to . load of No. A .38 snubby? Chances are youll only get to use one? Defensive purse swinging! Works good for road rage as well. One lion can consume up to 20 or 30 pounds of meat in a single meal. A farmer living in Lower Lake, in Lake County, noticed the dead lambs last week and notified the California Department of Fish and Wildlife. People living in neighborhoods around Nederland wonder why Colorado Parks and Wildlife can't do more to stop attacks on their pets. On my next trip I will get a gun with a 4 barrel!! Published on February 15, 2019 02:47 PM. Leave bear territory, do a quick mag switch and your back to the right rounds for CCW. The local police department and/or county sheriffs office can also respond to mountain lion-public safety calls to a 911 operator. What would be the minimum barrel length for any bear spanker? After watching a grizzly tear apart a moose calf in the Tetons I took my s&w .40 to a pawn shop and traded it for a .41 magnum Taurus tracker with a 4 ported barrel, The S&W .500 was too heavy to carry while hiking. I placed a dollar bill next to the track and took a photo. Too many horses, the federal government says, are crowding the scraps of . think of anything better to own, carry, keep, and have instantly accessible than a good Perry can dispatch a coyote with a Ruger LCP you most certainly could do it with .38 Special +p or not and it will also kill a mountain lion. 300 grains is on the low end for 50ae. Couple Im friends with have a vacation home in NW Montana(we all live in So. The group was less than four inches and the ammo was full-power Winchester factory loads so it was full recoil. Flat shooting gun with a lifetime warranty. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This is all interesting to a curious 75 yo ..better for me to stay out of bear country. into camp look for a meal in the ice chest. I sure wanted to sit and talk to him about all the storys they brought back. Lesson learned never keep food for bears in your camp site. For more information about Hornady ammunition, click here. DRT. I have several 44 mags a .41, .45 Colt and 8 different .357s in various types and the 329PD is lightweight and with the 225s is heavy medicine for bears. Outdoors. would have been just as well dead anyway. thank you kindly for sharing your extensive knowlege and guidance.I would be interested in your opinion of Underwood extreme penetrator cartridge 44 mag or 45 lc as to changing the attitude of a not well intentioned any bear . In that vein, and considering the real vs. imaginary threat posed by bears, a familiar 9mm loaded with non-expanding bullets is a lot better than a heavy .44 or .500 you left at home or are not completely proficient with. From one Phil to another, sage advice. Id take the 9mm any day if it was my only 2 choices, loaded with 147 flat nose +P+ from Underwood Ammo. I use the buffalo bore +P 340 for bear loads. However, two of those incidents resulted in fatalities. More is always better and the bullet is the key. A Smith & Wesson Model 29, in .44 Remington Magnum completely in the vein of Dirty Harry still makes an excellent choice for the bear woods. It definitely works. With the right bullet most large caliber handguns will end the confrontation in your favor if done this way. This gun is horrible to carry full time when it must be out of site sometimes!! Told me to that towards evening they made Camp during Daylight Hours. How many miles can a mountain lion travel? While attempting to release the Grizzly an accident occurred with the bear on top of tell me want have you really killed lately. As most readers are probably aware, a cougar (aka mountain lion) attacked a couple of mountain bikers in California last month [ Outside Online News: January 9 . Carry a 5 S&W 500 loaded with 700 gr hardcast from Ballistic Supply. You think living in the Alaskan bush 24/7/365 for 33 years as a bear guide makes you an expert? You combine the penetration of .45 Long Colt with the facial (and nose) disruption of a .410 shotgun shell. Next I agree, a 9mm is not something I would trust. Which one are you going to use first? After all that I have come to some conclusions about killing things with a handgun. He has 158 grain, cast SWC and SJSP flat point, +P ammuntion that are showing 890 FPS muzzle velocity on the boxes. I was helping a friend butcher a hog he had raised. A mountain lion has slaughtered 27 lambs on a farm in Northern California but did not eat a single one. Before any bear country hunt I practice with it a lot. I want to be able to pump 8 to 18 rounds in his head as fast as I can. A 10-year-old boy was killed by a mountain lion while hiking near Grand Lake in 1997, and an adult runner was killed in Idaho Springs in 1991. After I put it down with my .357 magnum, we found both 9mm rounds stuck in the skull. The female mountain lion in a chilling faceoff with a solo trail runner in Utah wasn't trying to kill him. A mountain lion would win a fight against a wolf. They did better than most 9mm and only slightly less than a 357. They truly are amazing creatures: When you're out strolling in the woods, there's no way for you to defend yourself from a mountain lion using an air rifle. If the mountain lion successfully ambushed a wolf, the fight is immediately over, and the wolf is dead due to a pierced skull or ripped throat. the 45 colt will out perform even the 454 if the right cases are used in bullet weights up to 410gr. Im still alive without a scratch. You must have a glutton for punishment! 10 mm, the old lady behind me at checkout at Cabelas asked me why I was buying so much ammo. having confidence in your weapon. A single action handgun is not a good choice as a defense weapon in any scenario. Owing to circumstances at their place, I wasnt able to go. Buzz, We dont know what caliber, make or model the handgun was. your comments hold great weight with me!! 38 special will kill you just as dead as a . If you can't gain proficiency and carry something of reasonable power level, then go with spray. C. After a Loss Depredation Permit Process. The way I see it there exists no substitute for accuracy, proper shot placement, and If you put a 6.25 inch barrel on the glock 20 it is very capable of stopping most large animals. Something doesnt fit here. This makes cougars great jumpers, able to leap from the ground 18 feet up into a tree. Hard cast bullet are the best for bear defense, they will penetrate like nothing else out there. Mace or a .45 Colt? That said, the 4-3-1 is a simple and effective rule of thumb. I was carrying my S&W M-57 4 inch gun. 2018 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice and link are included. But, he says, for now, money is tight and he likes his old service size S . closer than 35 feet heading in your direction should be engaged? .357, .44 mag, 10mm. You dont need a laboratory test to confirm that it was behaving strangely. A couple of quick .25s to the knee of your brother in law ought to make that possible. Im paraphrasing a bit here, but I once read an article by Bill Jordan about a new Weatherby rifle he was about to take on safari to Africa. be utilized for small game hunting: rabbit, squirrel, and grouse. That accounted for its lethargic behavior when it quietly approached they boy and his cousin near a river in Arizonas Tonto National Forest. In Alaska, meat is often removed from a kill site via a frame pack and two strong legs, and all that blood creates a scent trail like a flashing All-you-can-eat buffet advertisement. I also have a small Freedom Arms in .500 Wyoming Express. 9mm & 38? Si saw a black bear last year, and got lost running away from it. sounds like you have too many guns and cant decide on which one to take. 45acp . People started carrying bear spray in that area. More than 12,400 mountain lions were killed between 1907 and 1963 and turned in for bounties, according to the Mountain Lion Foundation. I got a buddy who is a duputy with Harris County (Tx) Sherrifs office. They only work if you have them with you. It has been updated through June of 2017. With 158-grain bullets moving at nearly 800 fps, this probably represents along with the 9mm Luger the lower end of the spectrum, as far as a defensive bear gun goes. So the point is simple; a wonderful collection of pistols at home wont do you any good, youll have to make do with what you have, Like the Boy Scout motto says, Be Prepared. We live in a world that has an exploding human population and dangerous animals are always the losers. The Casull is an updated and slightly elongated version of the .45 Colt, fully capable of firing .45 Colt ammunition. Key Points: No dog, regardless of the breed, would be able to take on a full-grown mountain lion solo. with my S&W 500 magnum. in bear country. The reverse is not true. My handloads push a 300-grain hard-cast bullet to 1,614 fps. The wife and I carry 7.5 Ruger Redhawks in 480 Ruger. Rifle first if at all possible. We killed about 5 hogs every week he shot them with 22 never saw any that didnt fall over dead. style bullet or a solid jacketed bullet with a large flat meplat no mater the caliber used. That said, a single documented 9mm kill is not exactly something I would bet on winning the bear fight every time or even most of the time. I see a lot of Blackhawk advocates. Now he is a sports talk radio host for 104.3 the Fan . This one took exception.) Very interesting. 6+1 capacity, and will group within 3 inches at 25 yds. She ran out of there at Mach 3, with her blue hair on fire. Yes I admit, Im a revolver person. Not handloading right now, so that obvious solution is not available; only factory ammo. Ruger, This is perfect mountain lion habitat. If you carry anything less than a S&W 500 Magnum 4 inch for self protection in this state while in the outdoors you are playing with fire. Crossdraw holster. We were given dominance over the animals, and we all got here at the same time. Id be packing heat. For me, Id say whatever you have at the time is better than nothing. If he does not already carry a firearm then he should. Funny how there is no mention of bear spray in all of this as it has to be the first option compared to killing and animal in whose domain you have wandered. What do you know! I have had to kill a couple Grizzlies, and have had numerous Mexican stand offs, over moose or caribou kills. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. I own several Casulls, but my favorite handgun is a 5-inch, custom Freedom Arms Model 83 that Ken Kelly tricked out for me. To purchase a sidearm for bear country on GunsAmerica, click here. Numerous attacks this summer, to include at least two confirmed deaths. against a pack of feral dogs a .38 Special is highly effective and lethal. I usually carry it in a cross-draw holster that allows me to ride a horse or ATV. ( Watch a Florida panther pass . Seeing the bull moose charging froze me. feral hogs Any bear is a big, tough critter and to stop them you will need to penetrate and break stuff like big bones or skulls. But Garrett makes a round called hammer head. Lions or parts cannot be taken out of Colorado unless inspected and sealed. News California Dogs Wildlife Pit Bull. I agree the 329 PD is ideal with Lower Recoil .44 Magnum Ammo 255 gr. Been involved in 2 grizz encounters. A Utah friend of mine called to ask about using a .38 Special with a 4" barrel as a trail gun and a defensive gun in the mountains of his home state. Mountain lions can kill adult humans along with large mammals. I think it was POOR ARTICLE FROM A PERSON WHO IS SITTING IN AN ARM CHAIR MOSTLY AND BASTE ON HEAR SAY. My first handgun was just that at age 18, and now I tote a Blackhawk Hunter in .45, loaded with 325 gr HC with GC and 22 grains of H-110 (Ruger Blackhawk or Thompson Contender ONLY!!!) You could get pretty close to a semi-auto .454 Casull if you had a .440 Cor-Bon Desert Eagle. He has spent more than a bit of time in pursuit of bears, hogs, and other game animals with a handgun, in addition to time spent in the Alaskan game fields. I am from Houston, TX. He didnt know what kind of weapon was used. Watch on. I bought Bear Loads in .45 LC and .357 MAG, but they were both hollow points (300 & 180 grains, respectively). Mountain lion study highlights. One would shoot the bear with a 22 rimfire: often a single shot, while his partner would harpoon the bruin to prevent it sinking. After a comment like that, Im certain that youre an expert in the art of defensive purse swinging. Take it from someone who has been nose to nose with many big bears by accident if youre going into bear country willingly take as big a double action revolver as you can keep all rounds in the target black. Oaf commented on the case strength, I personally use Starline cases mostly, and have not had a failure yet, however I do only use those cases for 2 heavy loadings, and then relegate them to lesser cowboy loads. Remember you can be turned into bear shit with in two days if you are wrong! However, please dont cast aspersions toward those who have done their own homework and made their own best choices. I hope those guides told you that if you fire a round, bears start coming from all directions to eat the free gut pile. That combo gets exceptional penetration you just have to have a revolver that can handle it like that the Ruger, Freedom Arms, etc. Jaguars range in size from about 100lbs up to 300lbs, run at speeds of 50 mph, and bite with a bone-crushing 1,500 PSI. Are they prudent, not for me. Lets get my own choices out of the way first. FL). No, they dont. vermin such as raccoon, skunk, possum, etc. The cartridge will push a 180-grain bullet to a respectable 1,300 fps, and that little Kimber has a lot to offer. Back in the 70s, this form of competition was only for revolvers. Bears, wild critters, thats all very nice and fluffy. However, should you have the misfortune of getting between a sow and her cubs, or perhaps meet a cantankerous old boar, the black bear certainly has the equipment to rearrange your anatomy, and even possibly render your birth certificate null and void. Just food for thought Stay safe Brian. What about a Judge or Governor, that can shoot .45 Long Colt or .410 shotgun shells? Its time for some lab work, and the Feds arent going to let us stake a few bears out in someones back forty to test loads out on. That being said I would never recommend a .22 for bear protection or hunting. Most hotels in Kalispell, Montana have a supply of bear spray on hand, which they will lend out to guests who wish to go hiking. not litter the landscape. Remember one thing in Bear country. Sep 25, 2007. Bear is a bear, you underestimate them at your own peril. If that is the mountain lion in the background why is it field dressed. Ive lived and hunted and fished in Alaska since 1993. My wife carries an old Model 60. Can a wolf beat a mountain lion? get of his ass and go out in the woods with his 38. Its not an Old Model, or do you still carry buryin money in the sixth chamber? Mountain lion attacks on humans, however, are rare in Colorado, with Colorado Parks and Wildlife counting fewer than 20 over the past 30 years. I would take a 357 Magnum with hard cast bullets over a standard 45 Colt round. There are many reviews of this caliber online. I hope you dont take anybody with you in these fantasy hikes with your hair spray. My gun will push the strong 300-grain hollowpoints to just under 1,200 fps, and thats a formula that can end a confrontation. I some what agree. Lets hope that we can all avoid the threat of mauling, but if youre unfortunate enough to have it happen to you, be prepared. Fortunately I was about 80 yds. Good luck It is not as if that information is widely out there ..This is part of a Strategy. uh://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/two-attacked-by-cougar-identified-wildlife-officials-say-predator-was-emaciated/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=article_title_1.1, https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/two-attacked-by-cougar-identified-wildlife-officials-say-predator-was-emaciated/. Even for dispatching .38 Special is great . He is a hard-core gun guy and he agrees with me on cartridges, guns and bullets. The Blackhawk is tough as nails, and while it may not have the prestige of a Colt Single Action Army, it is utterly dependable. I find it odd that people who trust autoloading pistols for protection against instantaneous violent attack by humans do not trust them for bears? Their saliva or blood can kill you even after the animal itself is already dead. My rule of thumb is the minimum is 4-3-1. Not only is a 45 Colt that is hand loaded right there with the 44 magnum, or even out performing the 44 magnum. My mountain weapon is a 458 SOCOM, semi-auto, from a 8in barrel, eotech halo-graphic, green laser and 1000 lumen light, with a 300gr lead tip hollow point. Newsweek has contacted the California Department of Fish and Wildlife for comment. And if he could run too fast, any caliber will work for knee caps!!!! But it is is at an angle to wind between about 1 degree and 360 degrees, your changes are slim to none. A mountain lion killed some goats about a half mile from us. At least .40 caliber, 300 grains and 1,000 fps. I think anybody going into bear country should read the article about bear defense guns and ammo @ garrettcartridges.com This should answer most questions on the subject. Not an expert by any means, just always loved the horribilis in the name, denoting the end result of chance meeting with an angry Grizzly in a dark alley. I call BS. The first was many years ago when I was in Alaska. If the mountain lion successfully ambushed a wolf, the fight is immediately over, and the wolf is dead due to a pierced skull or ripped throat. I dont recall if it ran on Discovery, National Geographic or The History Channel. In the end the animals will lose as even the anti-hunting crowd will realize that dangerous animals cannot be tolerated around civilization as there is no room for both humans and dangerous animals or wild animals that destroy crops. If you get to take a shot while standing, you should be making an effort to evade an attack while at the ready. Option to use 45 colt 454 cas and 460 mag. Merrill, Oregon (Klamath County). First shot went wild as the bear clamped down on his forearm and shook him. Im a pistol guy now, and except for my Ruger Super Red Hawk, I seldom shoot revolvers. It is likely this mountain lion killed the lambs as they are readily available. You can love a single action revolver but you wont find an Alaskan guide or hunter carrying one, or a semi-auto pistol without a 45-70 or 338WinMag at the ready. A brown bears a Swiss mil-spec mugger, with built-in armor all over, especially around the brain. i think a .38 would tickle the bear more than anything. Mine rides in a Diamond D Guides Choice model. A lion is a powerful and lethal predator and can easily kill a mule however a mule can be quite an adversary. While mountain lion attacks are rare, it is because mountain lions are not common, and interactions between mountain lions and humans are uncommon. One California farmer found herself caught up in a conservation dilemma, after a wild mountain lion attacked her ranch and killed her animals. I have a short barrel S&W 629 that Ken Kelly modified. The species are abundant in the state, numbering around 4,000 to 6,000 estimated creatures. Found the bullet in the other ear, Weighed 270 grains. Here in Upstate New York we have a very healthy black bear population, and highway sightings are quickly becoming a regular occurrence, as are the classic raids on bird feeders and garbage cans alike. that will allow the bullets to be seated and crimped .100 further out than factory specs. Predator animals act by instinct when challenged and hunt for food not to rob you or for the pleasure of killing you. The lion did not attack further and the boys uncle shot at the cat. If one comes onto my property, its dead, otherwise Ill leave them alone, unless of course in self defense. Florida State Lawmakers Introduce 'Constitutional Carry', The Staccato CS Brings Real Performance to the Concealed, Meet ROSE: SIG SAUER's Complete Concealed Carry Solution for, Honolulu Issues First Concealed Carry License. It is illegal to injure or kill them. Carry the biggest gun you can for bears or charging moose. Ruger alaskan, or Taurus Raging Bull in 5 or 6.5 ported, .480 ruger with 400g hardcast pushing 1100fps or more. Something else. Id never seen tracks that huge. They are considered important in maintaining ecosystems and controlling other animal populations such as deer, its preferred prey. 44 mag or most any other caliber in those ranges if the person using it knows how to shoot. It is the gun I used in the American Hunter Challenge Video where I make five hits at seven yards in under three seconds. An old farm fence stopped the bear at 11 yards and gave me the chance to get that cap on. Though it is illegal under state law to kill a mountain lion to protect a pet, CPW has decided not to press charges. just my 2 cents. Listed were all the big names but one very powerful handgun was not mentioned. For more information about Smith & Wesson, click here. 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