It seems we are being punished for the acts of someone who was our spiritual leader and was misleading us in a very unqualified way. He was an incredible communicator both orally and his deportment was engaging. Hes a deceiver. Vernick, however, believes abuse is grounds for divorce. At the end of that weekend, before James MacDonald got fired in February 2019. If hes fired, and its in the church is very clear on him being fired and disqualified for ministry. That this wasnt just James failure. The Asbury Revival Is Over. Ron Duitsman, Chairman of the Board, who agreed to fire James, now appears to be out there, saying that after James got fired, that the elders were were spinning what happened in a false way. This was a many time thing. And I, I look back at those meetings that I was just describing, Julie, I dont I dont say this lightly. And a few days later James MacDonald's sons, Luke and . And I looked at it, and I could not read the whole letter in one sitting. God will deal with him. And now think about this. But again, you push that issue, you got those letters. MacDonald is a successful American religious entrepreneur. He has always been a total its all about me. (God) says, the prudent see danger and take refuge. And thats got to be a heavy. I believe it was from Mancow who texted me. So Rick was in the meeting, as were others, and they were defending saying the elders should not have the letters. Then, referencing his arbitration with Harvest, in which he won about $2.5 million, along with all digital and physical assets of Walk in the Word, MacDonald writes: When we won the arbitration and regained access to our teaching ministry, it was in shambleslike a model plane that had flown so beautifully, being returned with report of a crash, when in reality an envious child had dashed it against the rocks just out of sight.. And what happened and all the backroom meetings, private conversations and phone calls leading up to that fateful event? Nearly 30 pages, innumerable charges between all those people, Julie, they served on the staff of Harvest Bible Chapel for somewhere between 40 and 50 years collectively. . Were talking about the difference of maybe a day. Please dont read something into a story thats not there. The Roys Report has over 78 articles dedicated to MacDonald and/or HBC, many of which were written by Roys. He was in the many meetings leading up to McDonalds termination. So I mean, again, this was round. I say this as a Christian who was taken to task by Christian doctors who told me of all sorts of cases that are not as the woman loved murdering her baby as many pro-life conservatives want everyone to believe. And the things that were done to them after they left. Whats wrong with Visconti supporting Kari Lake or speaking out against abortion or transgenderism? A strong woman with a stronger husband will become an unstoppable, gracious, and capable woman. A man of God who just wanted to take a vacation with his family, has the right to use church money which is his only source of income. And man, if you go back and listen to this morning, morning show I I just, I remember turning on the radio and hearing this, you know, Old MacDonald had a call, e-i, e-i, o This young man had put together it only Mancow can can deliver something the way that he does. The airing accelerated the timeline. Honestly dont to this day. The Lord made it really clear. And you got all of them. James MacDonald (@jamesmacdonald) June 14, 2021. But I think my kat has watched too much Kenneth Copeland. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? The multi-campus Harvest Bible Chapel in greater Chicago along with founder James MacDonald, has slapped several former workers and independent journalist Julie Roys with a defamation lawsuit alleging the publication of false information about the church, its finances and governance that resulted in the loss of 2,000 members. Hes a large imposing man. We knew what we knew what we were going to do. But to also say, this was this was my fault, too. You know, theres, I would say, round two, but I my guess is there were lots of small rounds in there, of people being silenced and bringing charges and, and the board looking the other way. He knows! And that would have been right before you came back on the board. What really caused Harvest Bible Chapel to fire James MacDonald? Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. I knew letters were coming to the elder board per First Timothy 5. I remember that too. Makes me sad and understand why his life went out of control. But its also an important podcast, because as you may know, James McDonald is aggressively trying to rewrite history and relaunch his ministry. The 8 Best Julie Roys Podcasts. That this was all a plot by him that he was vengeful, towards James McDonald. So thats why I think its so important to get the truth out there and to just keep speaking the truth. And so what Id like to do is just rewind a couple of years to fall 2018. Who were all shameless self promoters. Im sorry, before a so called board.removes a man of God they must first consider the fruit of his ministry. Hear the dramatic and sovereignly orchestrated story of how MacDonalds actions finally came to light at Harvest. Thank you for loving the Church and the Lord God Almighty, to take the hard but righteous way rather than the hard way. Hi. So if you cant say anything, I mean, again, hes dismissive of the actual letters. So grateful to be healthy and happy in the Lord to where I can finally wade into the filth from JuLIE Roys. Its phrased to make you feel morally superior. We had a group of Pastors who interviewed him and he gave us free tickets to his Straight Up conference. The leaders in our church spoke like KJ era British people when they prayed, I always wondered why. And I dont know whether it was Rick Donald, who was was talking at that point about he had the letters, and didnt think that the elders should read all of them. Her articles have appeared in numerous periodicals. Again, only you and Mike Dunwoody, did that publicly. It is not an ecclesiastical remedy at least not any longer. Ministry News. For more information just go to Judsonu.edu/visit. I at least heard of it from somebody by that point. This was months months later. Maybe some have on this platform for posting Julie has provided, but Ive never seen it. So what happened? Very interesting discussion. *Correction: A previous version of this story incorrectly reported that Visconti and Generation Church had deleted their social media accounts. No One Knows. Yeah. But he said when he and Scott Phelps and Barry Slebaugh went into a meeting with James in the summer of 2012, asking for, whats your salary James? Ive already told you there was consensus from board. Thank you. It was really it was a painful meeting, it was a was an eye opening meeting as well though. And and Im still feeling it and Im still hearing from people. It was the elders failure. How much do you make? Who Will Pay for the SBCs Abuse Reforms Over the Long Term? So Rick was, in effect, the Assistant senior pastor. He says, Well, for when I kept silent my bones wasted through my groaning all day long for day and night, your hand was heavy upon me. Im Julie Roys. Dominican Republic, a resort there and invited their wives to come with them. And Im just grateful that finally, the board, open their eyes. I remember saying we got to pray. Julie Roys October 8, 2020. Divorce sadly acknowledges the truth. To donate, James MacDonald Ministries June 13, 2021 Email, Ed Stetzer Named Dean of Biola Universitys Talbot School of Theology, James MacDonald Preaching at ARC Megachurch in Arizona, Landon MacDonald to Lead Arizona Megachurch Despite Allegations of Abuse When at Harvest Bible Chapel, Why Businessman Peter Chung Matters for the Future of The Kings College. That would have been December I think 18th, 2018. Ryan Visconti, the Arizona pastor platforming discredited celebrity preacher James MacDonald is attracting attention . And I stopped my car. But James McDonald, he did not like to fly with the commoners, from what I understand. The whole crooked machine needs to be brought down. She also previously hosted a national talk show on the Moody Radio Network, called Up for Debate, and has worked as a TV reporter for a CBS affiliate. That would be my word to Ron Duitsman. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. I dont believe God makes mistakes when creating us a certain sex. So far, I feel the leadership of my current church embodies this well. @Cynthia Wright Love your comment. If hes ok with lies, that calls into question everything he preaches. Dan currently is an executive and leadership coach and the founder of Front Seat Leadership. I mean, just stuff that you just cant even fathom comes from a man who supposedly is a man of God, a preacher of the gospel. My husband really appreciates James McDonalds preaching against my better judgement I told him about the new messagesso we have the Advent message from his Home Church network cast to the TV I had planned to leave the room so I didnt have to watch it I have to tell you he sounds sincere (without wax) I find the whole situation so heart breaking and confusing. What what were you thinking? I acknowledge my sin to you. And today youre going to hear from a former insider at Harvest, former elder Dan George. And marital and sexual satisfaction plummet., We are meant to set aside power and authority and serve one another (Matthew 20:25-28) as we are partnered together (Ecclesiastes 4:9-12), Gregoire added. Its so interesting. But But I remember saying to the guys, listen, heres the passages Ive been studying. You can review it. However, an email that I got, that Duitsman had sent out and then it was leaked to me, said that what Duitsman was upset about was the fact that the elders were admitting that they had failed. There were times in the meeting where, you know, I didnt even know what gaslighting was. Rather, its helping those in bondage find freedom. And there were meetings on Wednesday, where James McDonald was informed of the decision of the elder board. And learn how MacDonald almost escaped being exposedand how six scathing letters that revealed MacDonalds true nature almost failed to reach the elder board. Why did you think it was important to own not just who James McDonald was, and not just point the finger at him. And with that opening, I felt like it was confirmed. I talked to other people who told me of demands that he made for private jets on numerous occasions. What I especially find troubling is this: How come nobody has talked about the false doctrines that MacDonald has been preaching??? I wrote back to her, and I apologized to her. He was the senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel megachurch in Rolling Meadows, Illinois, United States [1] [2] and was the host for the church's former broadcast ministry, Walk in the Word . How come church leaders and male congregants are always beating up the women with this particular Scripture but no one ever (to my knowledge) addresses the husbands responsibility to love their wives as Christ loved the church? A Christian leader, according to 1 Timothy 3:3, should not be "greedy for filthy lucre.". Yeah, I got sued, but the case got dropped. harmful to the best interests, Disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, continued his tirade against me and The Roys Report on Tuesday, repeatedly calling me #JRgossipslut and asserting that I am, According to anindependent auditof Harvest Bible Chapel, disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, siphoned off millions in church funds to support his lavish lifestyle. Not long ago, I noticed that James MacDonald is still latched onto evangelical watchdog blogger Julie Roys as his number-one. Well, and I remember, I remember this whole thing, because Im getting bits and pieces from different sources about whats going on and whats happening. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. Others as well, who were defending and saying, well, the elders shouldnt even have these letters we had agreed, they go to the reconciliation team. He teaches that wives should endure abuse like a missionary endures persecution. I also dont believe girls (or boys) have to like certain colors or behave and dress in certain ways to be real girls/boys. But it was at this point that I started to reach out to Harvest and really seeking their comment on some of the things that I had heard. He wasnt bringing it to the elders and through a discussion with a couple of the pastors, chose to give it to the elders, which we were thankful for. As I saw it, this letter of unconditional support was a huge and somewhat desperate PR move on James MacDonalds part, to say, hey, look, all our leaders stand with us, I must be okay. She first came to my attention with James MacDonald, then with Ravi Zacharias, and now John McArthur plus one of his side-kicks is in her cross-hairs. Those are simply other examples of posts about controversial issues. Unfortunately, immature children in grown mens bodies seems to be a thing now. I agree that its loving to speak the truth, even when its unpopular, but the New Testament also has a lot to say about the way we conduct ourselves and how we should treat each other. May 19, 2021 10:53 am To some former Harvest Bible Chapel insiders, Rick Donald was not just James MacDonald's right-hand man; he was also his "hatchet man" or "smiling assassin." Load more Our marriage improved incredibly after we both agreed that neither one of us was Jesus. Subscribe here for Pastor James' twice-weekly email devotionals straight to you inbox, plus occasional updates regarding his ministries, events, and personal news. Hes like the whole the whole thing was about resigning. In June, Visconti also posted a picture of him and his wife with James MacDonald and his wife. That was you, wasnt it? And I got it. And I hope I hope that a lot of people have read that and they dont owe me anything, but I hope its been healing to them. Thanks! And I sat down on the couch in my office and cried. You know, Ive been here the whole time. Pastor James MacDonald. June 17, 2021 James MacDonald, the former megachurch pastor who's been embroiled in scandal and controversy for several years, is lashing out against independent journalist Julie Roys. I have them up at my website if you want to see those. And to hear that, its still got to be pretty tough to stand up to that, or at that point where you like, now I know the truth, Im moving forward. I think he might have and the reason I say that is that weekend, so you know, here we are on Tuesday, Tuesday, the fifth. And we got to a Saturday meeting then on the ninth. Good to be here. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. Wives submit to your husbands. Im gonna put it up on my Facebook page, on my blog. On January 7, 2019, Harvest elders announced they decided to drop the lawsuit against Julie Roys and four other individuals. If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of God, and Proverbs, etc. And theres Ephesians 5 about exposing the unfruitful works of darkness having nothing to do with those. Okay thats what Gods word says. To myself, I said, and do our job. Sandy talked about over the years, other staff members coming to her after meeting with James McDonald in tears, just crushed. In that same meeting that same Thursday night, he argued, the elders shouldnt have the letters. What is the point of bringing this pastors political views into the story? I think of a few things Julie. I remember sitting on my couch waiting to press the button to publish it. I just know I got them. I was literally sitting in a hotel lobby waiting for a pickup at one oclock in the morning to catch an overnight flight back from India. And if I can give you a context, where I was in my thought process, in that. Well, Dan, like I said, on an earlier podcast that I had with Mancow Muller, I was hoping to be done with James McDonald and reporting on Harvest months ago. You dont know how I got ahold of them. (We're a church of around 4,000 members & regular attenders.) Because they stood up to James or they just tried to walk away quietly because they couldnt they couldnt stomach what was going on any any longer. They said no, for various reasons. And it was a pretty tough meeting. Instead of focusing on who is stronger and who is weaker, why dont we focus on how both of us can be strong for the kingdom and live out the calling that God has given to each of us individually and as a couple?, Visconti also posted recently on his Instagram story that abuse is not a biblical justification for divorce. And then he apologized. I remember praying before the Harvest Elgin campus as a garage, and its a former corporate space. Right? Were supposed to approve this budget, and we dont even have a line item. Thanks that is hilarious!! What it really means to speak the truth in love, one post read. And then saying, I need a private jet to fly me home. However, you did sign a letter of unconditional support. I am so sorry to report that he has not changed. It was a battle in the natural but more than that, there was a spiritual battle going on then, and I think its still going on now. it's time for the cult of personality of James MacDonald at Harvest chapter to close and the actual Bible to be opened . But I think it was And anyway, hes fired. I had been investigating Harvest for months. And I listened to it. She wrote about, you alluded to it, she wrote about the end of this Risen for the Nations tour when they were in Haiti. She keeps demanding I tithe to her and she will ask god to bless me. And there were a number in the room who were looking at I Timothy 5, thats for those who persistence sin rebuke them in the presence of all so that the rest may stand in fear. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. She was a late comer to those of us who had been exposing MacD for a long time. Gosh she is just filthy with gossip as fact and at very best half the story. To donate, click here. You know, while while I was an overseer, I didnt know it. And Im just trying to smear him. It wasnt an easy thing to do. And that was the day that Mancow Muller aired these excerpts. . Harvest didnt know what it looked like to not have him as a senior pastor. Prominent evangelical scholar, author, and missiologist, Ed Stetzer, is leaving his position as executive director of Wheaton Colleges The Billy Graham Center, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation, An Arizona megachurch has hired Landon MacDonald as a lead pastor, despite allegations MacDonald bullied and abused those in his care while. We will talk through it. She sends it to me and I wrote it. Ill tell you on that Saturday, there were, we took a break, because it was a long meeting. I did not cover my iniquity. The elder board is still in the dark. For more information on Marquardt Buick go to buyacar123.com. Well, because Scripture says you do it in front of everybody. Julie, are you saying that you support trans mutilation/murder of pre-born children/and are against conservatives? There was a whole discussion about whether he was repentant and I said, I dont know, hes not repentant. How do you how do you do anything with 30 people? Ill write a statement. Why is it important to you to let people know what really happened? It was demonic. Shame on you for reading scripture! And we shouldnt be, you know, happy with standing in line and say, well, so and so said that, right? And I turned to Scripture, and I went to Psalm 32, where you know, the companion to Psalm 51, where Davids writing. Judson is located on a beautiful 90 acre campus just 36 miles northwest of Chicago. So this is going to be a fascinating podcast. We dont know how much the top people at Harvest make. And I remember being in the meeting thinking, I cant believe were arguing about this. You disseminated down to the elders, and then that became really the sticking point for James, wasnt it? when men make the final decision in the marriage, even if they consult with their wife first, chances of divorce increases 7.4 times . Very loyal to James McDonald. Also, if youre in the market for a car, I encourage you to check out my friends at Marquardt of Barrington. I mean his letter, not just talking about the abusive behavior of James, but the things he did with the money going on African safaris with the church money. Youre better off reading the Bible at home with your cat. I know James McDonald says it was a conference call. And I just remember my first feeling, you know, just honestly, relief. I payed for you and James. Whether he was going to resign or have an opportunity to resign or, you know, terminate his employment was to be determined at that point. MacDonald notes in the email that about a month after the settlement, he was able to write to recipients of the email. And, again, this is five days after I published my expose of Harvest and World Magazine. Just saying a lot of vile things. That this was all a plot by him that he was vengeful, towards James McDonald. I dont see that as absolving James McDonald. And they were praying in earnest this entire time. It does. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Thankfully, I had headphones on. In the area (a south metro suburb of Minneapolis, MN ), that's just the average cost of a house. Because when you report on this for months, you feel the pain of the people that are involved. Because Im not a quiet guy in meetings. "I was sitting in the back seat. year. Its not being nice, polite, or inoffensive. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Its a reference to sex magik and the leaders have given a hat tip to their god right in the church name. Thats a Tuesday night. I wish I didnt. And Dean Butters letter came in that way as well. So for Jim McDonald to say that he didnt remember like, Im not buying it, right? And I want to help people lead the church well. In October, Harvest along with lead pastor James MacDonald filed a defamation lawsuit against the author of the World article, Julie Roys, for "asserting false allegations" during her eight . So you werent part of the lawsuit. So let me let me take you to February I believe is February 12. Well, you know, we laugh about it. Otherwise just say what you really mean in your question: Im better than you because I would never support ChurchLeaders has reported extensively on MacDonald and Harvest, which began experiencing unrest back in 2013. I know a lot of people look at this. Roys detailed evidence from former Harvest elders, employees, and members that . It wasnt an argument. His sermons changed from adoration of the text to little postcard messages. We had to deal with it. And so we had a long meeting that Saturday to talk about what we were going to do. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. Imagine such a thing. And while youre at it, Id really appreciate it if youd help us spread the word about the podcast by leaving a review. This story saddens me. And so I felt relief. We STILL confuse sex and gender, which leads to conflating a lot of issues when discussing this. And you have James McDonald coming in, from the United States, getting off the plane for a little bit, doing a few meetings, which I guess he complained about doing. Both are true. I mean, I got exonerated rather quickly. I felt physically sick reading the letter. And many who have followed this story know what James McDonald has done. Because if he resigns, he gets up in front of the church, gets to spin things, and, you know, can probably relaunch somewhere else. Whats the point of arguing the point, you know, like, okay, youre gonna say you dont remember that part. Its come to this. I knew what the topic was. Because it was still a time when many elders were not admitting any of the wrongs that they had done. This man has been your pastor for decades. And this is this was this was hard, but at the end of the night, we talked through it, we shared things from the letters. From the overflow of your heart your mouth (and thumbs) are speaking. And we talk about that Scripture and quote it over and over again. Guard your heart and keep it diligentlyfor from it flows the content of your life. Pastor James will provide answers in upcoming featured video posts. Well, maybe it had approval by the executive elders, maybe it had approval by Fred Adams, who was the CFO at the time. And Stetzer is a huge, huge part of the crooked machine. Why is that? Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. And I was still on the elder board, we shrunk the elder board that next week down to nine men. I had asked one of the one of the people on the reconciliation team earlier that day, I said, Im going to go into a meeting with James McDonald and I need I need to have the letters I need to know. But somewhere around 2008-10 his preaching changed a bit. Nah Gary, thats just typical cat behavior for you, with or without Kenneth Copeland. So who is he talking about? . 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